{"id":887,"date":"2020-07-30T15:11:12","date_gmt":"2020-07-30T15:11:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/2020\/07\/30\/department-of-corrections-diana-nyad-on-people-are-talking-1989\/"},"modified":"2023-09-20T15:02:23","modified_gmt":"2023-09-20T15:02:23","slug":"department-of-corrections-diana-nyad-on-people-are-talking-1989","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/department-of-corrections-diana-nyad-on-people-are-talking-1989\/","title":{"rendered":"Department of Corrections: Diana Nyad on People are Talking, 1989"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A few weeks ago, Laura Dean, a musician who created a program called &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/lauradeanpianist.wordpress.com\/performances\/\">Heart And Place: Music Of The Westward Expansion<\/a>,&#8221; emailed me to ask how many violins I thought the Lewis and Clark Expedition carried: one or two? In my opinion, I told Dean, they carried one.<\/p>\n<p>Let me back up for a moment. I play the violin, and I used to present a show about one of the fiddlers with Lewis and Clark. I learned in 1997 that the expedition included two fiddling crew members: Pierre Cruzatte and George Gibson. I also learned that Cruzatte, the expedition&#8217;s half-French, half-Omaha boatman, is best-known for accidentally shooting Captain Lewis in his rear-end. Cruzatte&#8217;s story was ripe for the telling.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_10030\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10030\" style=\"width: 840px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" data-attachment-id=\"10030\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/michael.jpg?fit=1246%2C818&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1246,818\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"michael\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/michael.jpg?fit=300%2C197&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/michael.jpg?fit=840%2C551&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-10030 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"551\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael-1.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael-2.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael-3.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael-4.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/michael-5.jpg 1246w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-10030\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image courtesy of Michael from McKinley Elementary, Santa Monica, circa 2001.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>By 2000, I had prepared a one-person show about Pierre and his role in the expedition. Cruzatte and I never made it to Manhattan like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2019\/oct\/03\/hillary-clinton-life-keep-going\"><em>The Swimmer<\/em><\/a> did. But we traveled to places like\u00a0 Charlottesville, Virginia, and Astoria, Oregon; New Town, North Dakota, and New Iberia, Louisiana; and many wonderful places in between.<\/p>\n<p>Dean noted that some people disagreed with me about the number of the expedition&#8217;s fiddles. Because it had been so long since I&#8217;d looked into it, I asked if she could point to a source.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_10046\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10046\" style=\"width: 236px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nps.gov\/articles\/scientific-encounters.htm\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" data-attachment-id=\"10046\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/grouse.jpg?fit=542%2C689&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"542,689\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"grouse\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/grouse.jpg?fit=236%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/grouse.jpg?fit=542%2C689&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-10046 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/grouse.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"236\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/grouse.jpg&amp;ssl=1 236w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/grouse-2.jpg 542w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 236px) 85vw, 236px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-10046\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">William Clark&#8217;s drawing of a sage grouse from <a href=\"https:\/\/lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu\/item\/lc.jrn.1806-03-02#lc.jrn.1806-03-02.02\">March 2, 1806<\/a>. Via the National Park Service&#8217;s &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nps.gov\/articles\/scientific-encounters.htm\">Scientific Encounters<\/a>.&#8221;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>She soon sent me an excerpt from the journal of Private Joseph Whitehouse. Six expedition members kept journals during the trip, Whitehouse among them. Without those journals, we&#8217;d know very little about the expedition.<\/p>\n<p>With them, we know a lot. On December 25, 1804, Whitehouse wrote: &#8220;The Men then prepared one of the Rooms, and commenced dancing, we having with us Two Violins\u2026.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Now, back when I first started researching Lewis and Clark, it didn&#8217;t take long for me to think that I knew everything there was to know about the expedition&#8217;s music (see the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect\">Dunning-Kruger Effect<\/a>). I read Whitehouse&#8217;s entry and assumed that he made a mistake. He must have meant &#8220;two violinists,&#8221; not &#8220;two violins.&#8221; Pierre Cruzatte and George Gibson must have traded off using the same instrument, even though few people would do that today.<\/p>\n<p>Revisiting Whitehouse twenty-three years later, it occurred to me that I not only twisted his words but also assumed that my late 20th century Los Angeles vantage point eclipsed his, out there on the trail with Cruzatte and Gibson.<\/p>\n<p>I became a convert to the two-violin theory. &#8220;In hindsight,&#8221; I wrote to Dean, &#8220;I have to assume that what Joseph Whitehouse says goes unless there\u2019s an overwhelming reason to doubt him. I had no legitimate basis to do that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Just like I had no legitimate basis to doubt Ashley Harrell when she wrote in &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.browardpalmbeach.com\/news\/jack-and-diana-6310159\">Jack and Diana<\/a>\u201d: &#8220;In 1989, Nyad appeared on a live TV talk show <em>People Are Talking<\/em> with the caption &#8216;Raped by Coach&#8217; beneath her name.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>When I first read that, I assumed that Harrell must have gotten the date wrong. After all, <a href=\"http:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/articles\/abuse\/1998.09.23.The_Atlanta_Constitution.jpg\">1998 was the earliest<\/a> I&#8217;d seen Nyad alleging abuse. I figured that I knew better and that Harrell transposed the numbers. But she remained almost certain she hadn&#8217;t. Still, I assumed she must be wrong.<\/p>\n<p>I tried to find episodes of <em>People Are Talking<\/em> from 1998. No go. Of the talk shows with that title, all had gone off the air or morphed into something else by the early nineties. That should have been a sign, but I just assumed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/find?q=people+are+talking&amp;ref_=nv_sr_sm\">IMDB was wrong too<\/a>.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_10043\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10043\" style=\"width: 840px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" data-attachment-id=\"10043\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peoplearetalking.jpg?fit=1455%2C373&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1455,373\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"peoplearetalking\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;P.A.T x 3: Left, on WBZ with Tom Bergeron; middle, on WJZ with Sher and Oprah Winfrey; right, on KPIX San Francisco, with &lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peoplearetalking.jpg?fit=300%2C77&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peoplearetalking.jpg?fit=840%2C216&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-10043\" src=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"216\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking-1.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking-2.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking-3.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking-4.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/peoplearetalking-5.jpg 1455w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-10043\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">P.A.T x 3.\u00a0 Left, on WBZ\/Boston, with Tom Bergeron; middle, on WJZ\/Baltimore, with Richard Sher and Oprah Winfrey; right, on KPIX\/San Francisco, with Ann Fraser and Ross McGowan.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Then last weekend, I came across a pair of articles about a 1992 Nyad appearance in Elgin, Illinois. &#8220;Diana Nyad no doubt surprised her audience at the Community Crisis Center&#8217;s annual dinner,&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/articles\/1992.06.28.nyad-abuse.jpg\">states one<\/a>, &#8220;when she told how she was brutally raped by her swimming coach when she was 16.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A brief web search revealed that two versions of <em>People Are Talking<\/em> produced new episodes in 1989. One incarnation aired on KPIX in San Francisco, a station where Nyad had worked. I haven&#8217;t found a copy of the Nyad episode yet, but if it&#8217;s out there, it&#8217;s labeled &#8220;1989.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>All of this is to say that I apologize to Ashley Harrell. She had the video playing right in front of her, just like Joseph Whitehouse had two fiddlers playing right in front of him. I shouldn&#8217;t have doubted either of them.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>This morning being Christmass, the day was announced by the discharge of our Swivels,* and one Round from our small arms of the whole company&#8230;. The Men then prepared one of the Rooms, and commenced dancing, we having with us Two Violins &amp; plenty of Musicians in our party. (<a href=\"https:\/\/lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu\/item\/lc.jrn.1804-12-25\">Joseph Whitehouse, December 25, 1804<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>*A large blunderbuss or small cannon.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_10029\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10029\" style=\"width: 450px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lewis-clark.org\/article\/2597\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" data-attachment-id=\"10029\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musicians-haynes.jpg?fit=450%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"450,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cruzatte and Gibson\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musicians-haynes.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musicians-haynes.jpg?fit=450%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-10029 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/nyadfactcheck.com\/annex\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/musicians-haynes.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"450\" 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In my opinion, I told Dean, they carried one. 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